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  1.     Nathan Saucier
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  3.         if you hear anything, update me?
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  5.         Also, if you have some time for a philosophical discussion at some point, give me a heads up...I want to pick your brain and trade some ideas.
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  9.         Okay!
  10.  
  11.         On a not school night
  12.  
  13.     Nathan Saucier
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  15.         We have some disagreements, it seems. But I think that's a good thing...I like talking to people who see things differently.
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  19.         I'm sure we do
  20.  
  21.         On social issues we probably agree
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  23.     Nathan Saucier
  24.  
  25.         If you only talk to people with the same set of ideas all the time, it becomes an echo chamber.
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  29.         It's why I don't mind talking social issues with other anime fans. I'm very open to things.
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  31.     Nathan Saucier
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  33.         And eventually it will become dogmatic.
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  37.         Indeed
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  39.     Nathan Saucier
  40.  
  41.         Hrm...Friday or Sunday night, perhaps?
  42.  
  43.         One of the things I'd like to touch on is my idea of morals vs methods...You know how in older D&D, there's the lawful/chaotic axis and the good/evil axis?
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  47.         Yes
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  49.         I tend toward Neutral Good
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  51.         I'm now Lawful since I will break rules I see as stupid
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  53.         But I'm not Chaotic since I don't see ALL rules as something to ignore
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  55.         Some make sense, others don't. Follow the ones that do.
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  57.     Nathan Saucier
  58.  
  59.         I've always seen the two as measuring different things.
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  61.         Good/Evil is morals, Lawful/Chaotic is methods.
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  63.         Your ideals, what you think is right and wrong...and the ways you go about following those ideals.
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  65.         I've sometimes heard this called Morals and Ethics...but ethics is basically a synonym for morals, so I think Methods is a better term.
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  69.         Hm
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  71.         Ethics is personal
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  73.         Morality is a universal
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  75.     Nathan Saucier
  76.  
  77.         I suppose.
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  81.         So if you believe in a moral code, you believe it's universal
  82.  
  83.         No, that's the definition in philosophy
  84.  
  85.         It's a small but important difference
  86.  
  87.         Ethics is how you live your life day to day. Morality is the ideal you strive for.
  88.  
  89.         You (should) derive your ethics from your morality
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  91.     Nathan Saucier
  92.  
  93.         This is where I tend more towards Nietzche...believing that a person should define their own morals.
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  97.         The disagreement of them is where we get tension from
  98.  
  99.         Exactly
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  101.     Nathan Saucier
  102.  
  103.         Ah, yes.
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  107.         I agree with most of Nietzsche
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  109.         Externally imposed morality as a tool for keeping down the intelligent? Experienced that first hand
  110.  
  111.         Liberalism is RIFE with anti-intellectualism
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  113.         Even as it claims to be scientific
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  115.         It's emphasis on "feeling" and "emotion" as superior to intellect, for example
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  117.         Liberalism objects to Conservativism because "it's mean!"
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  119.         By valuing emotions over intellect, it becomes anti-intellect
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  121.         No different than Christians who say to put God above intellect
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  123.     Nathan Saucier
  124.  
  125.         And on the right, the dominance of christianity, especially fundamentalist christianity...and it's focus on "faith" and "belief" instead of reason.
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  127.         Exactly.
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  131.         It's why, as Christians grew from the Jewish priest class, Liberals grow from the Christian priest class
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  133.         It's why I put Social Conservatives and Liberals in the same group
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  135.     Nathan Saucier
  136.  
  137.         I've sometimes heard it said that "Conservatives think life is fair, Liberals know it's not."
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  141.         They both want control, both value the collective over the individual, and support policies that are opposed to reason and personal freedom
  142.  
  143.         Huh?
  144.  
  145.         Conservatives know life is unfair
  146.  
  147.         The key is they don't want to make it worse by screwing with the other guy
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  149.     Nathan Saucier
  150.  
  151.         Now.
  152.  
  153.         That idea exists on both sides.
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  155.         But then we get from ethics to methods...the ways a person wants to make things better or keep them from getting worse.
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  159.         Right
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  161.     Nathan Saucier
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  163.         I think the issue is the one I mentioned at the start here...too much time with people who's ideas are the same...and it turns into an echo chamber. And then from there it becomes dogmatic.
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  167.         Conservatives (and here I'm meaning the fiscal/econ types, not the Jerry Falwell ones) say: "The person best equipped to determine how best to live your life is YOU. Not me."
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  171.         Liberals, however, say: "You know what's best. Most of the time. But sometimes you screw up. So I'll keep you from making those mistakes, because that's for your own good."
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  173.     Nathan Saucier
  174.  
  175.         The right is socially restrictive and economically free, the left is socially free and economically restrictive. More or less?
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  179.         So Conservatives swear off intervention, while liberals see it as being justified for the common good
  180.  
  181.         The right is SUPPOSED to be free, period. The social stuff is from the 1980's.
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  183.     Nathan Saucier
  184.  
  185.         Yeah.
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  189.         Goldwater never went on about gay marriage. He was anti-Vietnam, for example
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  191.     Nathan Saucier
  192.  
  193.         You and I also have very different experiences with each side, and I think that informs our difference in opinion more than anything.
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  197.         True
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  199.     Nathan Saucier
  200.  
  201.         You've encountered more of the libertarian leaning right and I've encountered more of the fundamentalist right.
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  205.         Being in MA means being surrounded by liberals and seeing their hypocrisy first hand. You saw the hypocrisy of the social cons, who I also despise.
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  207.     Nathan Saucier
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  209.         Similarly...you've encountered more of the nanny state left and i've encountered more of the free-living left.
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  213.         Indeed.
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  215.         The conservatives you met were not related to me
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  217.         Being in Texas, this state's left is more of the hippie kind
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  219.         I actually have very few issues with guys like Willie Nelson
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  221.         What's interesting is that because conservatives say no to intervention, they don't pursue it further
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  223.     Nathan Saucier
  224.  
  225.         And, possibly...the left in Texas tends to be more libertarian than in other places, it seems.
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  229.         However, liberals have constructed a LOT of different mechanisms for justifying interventions into people's lives
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  231.         Yes, it does
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  233.         Texas left has historically been libertarian in nature
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  235.         Not as true now due to all the northerners moving in
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  237.         Common mechanisms to justify interference:
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  239.         Keynsian econ - stimulus through central authority
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  241.     Nathan Saucier
  242.  
  243.         A sort of a double-edged sword with libertarianism is that because it's about individuality and freedom...it has no consistent ideology. You can ask five different people what it means to be libertarian and you'll get five different answers.
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  245.         On the positive side, this prevents the echo chamber/dogma issue to a degree.
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  249.         Social contract - brother's keeper is an obligation
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  251.         Social justice - it's about protecting the oppressed
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  253.         Environment - protecting the earth
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  255.         A lot of others.
  256.  
  257.         Oh, and Altruism.
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  259.     Nathan Saucier
  260.  
  261.         Classical altruism or modern altruism?
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  265.         Altruism is for liberals what believing in Christ is to evangelicals
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  267.     Nathan Saucier
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  269.         I have to ask because they're two different things.
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  273.         The idea that actions not taken in self-interest are best
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  275.         That's the sense I've seen it used in education texts
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  277.     Nathan Saucier
  278.  
  279.         Classical altruism is absolute self-sacrifice, modern altruism is more passive selflessness.
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  283.         "Doctors should be HAPPY to serve patients for gov't mandated pay because they're SERVING people for ALTRUISM."
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  285.     Nathan Saucier
  286.  
  287.         ...Yeah that's insane.
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  291.         It ties into the idea that working to advance oneself is somehow fundamentally wrong/evil
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  293.         Which is the same thing Nietzsche condemned
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  295.         You have NO IDEA how many liberals I've met who have that viewpoint
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  297.     Nathan Saucier
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  299.         And I absolutely love my ambition.
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  301.         It drives me forward in all areas.
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  305.         That profit is evil, ambition is evil, that wanting to do things for YOU makes you a lesser person
  306.  
  307.         And that wanting in it and valuing it makes you someone they need to use the system for to destroy and run out
  308.  
  309.         That's what liberals believe, just like the Christian priests Nietzsche hated
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  311.     Nathan Saucier
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  313.         This is why I often call myself evil...Ambition is devalued and considered blind and destructive by a vast majority.
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  317.         Majority of the left
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  319.     Nathan Saucier
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  321.         Again...the contrast in our experiences between the nanny state left and the fundamentalist right.
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  325.         Right
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  327.     Nathan Saucier
  328.  
  329.         I think the left mostly sees ambition as evil when it becomes destructive...blind and damaging to things around it.
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  333.         The fundamentalists want the same kind of control
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  335.     Nathan Saucier
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  337.         I don't specifically agree with that idea, but I can understand it.
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  341.         For the fundamentalists, their desire to control and regulate is directly from the source Nietzsche discussed
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  343.         For the liberals, they've taken that POV and pushed it to the next issue
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  345.         They moved it from religion and gave it the trappings of science
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  347.     Nathan Saucier
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  349.         This is why I think I'm more...balanced. I have plenty of ambition, but there are a lot of people and things I care about. I want things for myself, but I also want things for other people.
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  353.         Keynsian, nudging, psychology, women's studies, etc. - all of them built largely to justify the idea that it's okay to interfere in the life of another person.
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  355.         (Not all psych, but some of it)
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  357.         Exactly. You are the typical ambitious person.
  358.  
  359.         People who want for themselves are NOT inherently destructive or mean
  360.  
  361.         As Hayek pointed out, when you act in your own best interest, you are calculating and reasoning and making choices to optimize
  362.  
  363.         Everyone who acts that way does
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  365.         And you add it up and you have a cloud computer - billions of people calculating small equations and moving in ways that optimize really BIG equations
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  367.         And they act faster and more powerfully than any central authority can ever hope to nudge or oversee
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  369.     Nathan Saucier
  370.  
  371.         Much of the left seems to frame this intervention as acting to remove something that's interfering with someone's life.
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  373.         Of course, whether this is tweezers removing a splinter or jamming a second piece of glass in to get the first piece of glass out is debatable.
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  377.         As I said, they've spent a LOT of time developing ways to justify what they do
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  379.     Nathan Saucier
  380.  
  381.         ...That...is a rather elegant and beautiful notion.
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  385.         They take the concept of protection and twist it
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  387.     Nathan Saucier
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  389.         An entire society not based on egotism or selfishness...but truly enlightened self interest.
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  393.         The genuine need to address issues of theft and murder becomes justification for a police state that is proactive
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  395.     Nathan Saucier
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  397.         The way I see it...if I can be successful, I can do things for myself and for people I care about. Thus as life improves for me, life improves for those people...and as their lives improve, the lives of people they care about improve...
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  399.         I think this is similar to the cloud computing idea you put forth?
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  403.         Yes it is
  404.  
  405.         It's also backed up by economic and math
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  407.     Nathan Saucier
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  409.         I can best describe the people I care about as being in circles.
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  413.         It's systems theory, basically
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  415.     Nathan Saucier
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  417.         I'm in the innermost circle, but the people I care the most about are in the second and third rings.
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  419.         You are third ring, by the way.
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  423.         So I reject the fundamental notion that intervention by me on someone else is necessary or should be forced by an external party. That's what makes me a conservative and not a liberal.
  424.  
  425.         I may donate to charity, but I don't believe in welfare and other programs
  426.  
  427.         Consensual exchange and assistance, not mandatory
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  429.     Nathan Saucier
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  431.         How do you ensure that this system continues and remains stable and not degenerate?
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  435.         That's the question our Founding Fathers asked
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  437.     Nathan Saucier
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  439.         The darker side of human nature is that we find ways to exploit anything.
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  443.         The Constitution was their answer
  444.  
  445.         not the best solution, certainly, but the closest to a decent answer to date
  446.  
  447.         Though these days I wonder if we'd been better off with the first one where we were just a confederacy of states
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  449.     Nathan Saucier
  450.  
  451.         The Constitution is really an effective and elegant document. It's only real flaw is it's age...
  452.  
  453.         It's got some trappings of the times it was created in...and vagueness in it's wordings.
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  457.         I think one issue we have is that we dismiss the pre-Constitution era very quickly without a close examination
  458.  
  459.         (I'm not an American history expert, so I can't really go in depth on it)
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  461.     Nathan Saucier
  462.  
  463.         If we had just been a confederacy of states, we likely wouldn't have been strong enough to break off from the british entirely... We had to consolidate power and resources...military, economic and human.
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  467.         This was after the revolution
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  469.         We beat the British and started out as a coalition of states
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  471.         Constituon came after
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  473.     Nathan Saucier
  474.  
  475.         Yes, I misspoke. I apologize.
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  477.     Nathan Saucier
  478.  
  479.         It's getting a bit late, and as you said...not on a school night.
  480.  
  481.         But this was an excellent discussion and I look forward to another with you. Hopefully soon.
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  485.         Okay!
  486.  
  487.     Nathan Saucier
  488.  
  489.         ...Please don't think I'm running because I just said something stupid.
  490.  
  491.         I swear it's not what I'm doing. >.>
  492.  
  493.     Nathan Saucier
  494.  
  495.         You can't prove that I am!
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  499.         I'm tired and need to go anyway
  500.  
  501.     Nathan Saucier
  502.  
  503.         later, then

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